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    DOSF and big, big sticks of dynamite

    Hello folks,

    Well, let's not beat about the bush. I'm sick to death of this forum as it currently stands.

    I love DOSF and have come to think of some of the people here as my extended family. That said, DOSF is a virtual ghost town and has been for several years. I've always said I don't care how many members we've got, as long as the forum is serving its purpose - and I still stand by that. If I thought DOSF was where it needed to be, ten members and one post a week would satisfy me... but the forum is not serving its purpose.

    I want DOSF to be a good place for everybody; to be "foot fetish friendly" and specifically "SMELLY FOOT fetish friendly" but not to be ruled by those topics. I want this to be a place where people come to belong, not to dominate or be dominated. I want relationships to form here, not agreements between prostitutes and their clients. I want DOSF to help people out there to feel at ease with their fetishes and with their sexuality in general, and to go forth into the world, searching for happiness with confidence and honesty.

    Right now, we've got prostitutes, sock sellers, dominatrixes, perverts, authors of atrocious fiction, consumers of atrocious fiction, and a handful of real people sitting in the middle desperate to be heard over the deafening chorus of "Buy my socks, slave!", "Who's feet are smellier? Britney Spears or Christina Ricci?", "I am a guy looking for a girl to dominate me with her feet!", "VISIT MY WEBSITE, PIG DOG MALE SCUM!", and "I need advice about how to cheat on my wife / bullshit my sister into letting me smell her feet / approach strangers in the street about selling me their used pantyhose."

    If anybody wonders "Why do women never join DOSF?" or "Why do women sometimes join DOSF but drift off after a couple of posts" or even "Why are 90% of the people on DOSF either after your money or one step away from a prison sentence?" that's the sad, honest truth of the matter... If you're a well-rounded, nice person, joining DOSF is not worthwhile. If you're a normal woman who just wants to come here to chat, learn about foot fetishism, or even discover their OWN fetishes without having to trudge through a mailbox that is every day filled up with inappropriate requests, sexual propositions, and pictures of men's penises... you're out of luck.

    I've seen women join DOSF, get a virtual mob of welcomes on their first post, and when it turns out that they're not interested in posting a dozen pictures a day or meeting anybody for nights of foot fetish debauchery, they get dropped like a hot potato. I've seen women who have only to identify themselves as female for the "SHOW FEET" requests to begin.

    That you people do that, make people feel like that - and on a website I've been involved with for 18 of my 31 years on this planet... makes me hold my head in my hands and despair.

    In the words of the Eleventh Doctor, NO MORE.



    Thoughts are VERY welcome - but I cannot sit still with this. DOSF must evolve or it will die - and if it can't evolve, it will die at my hands - I know I've threatened to close down before, but this time I'm serious. I'm not mad, I'm not suicidal, I'm not throwing my toys out of the pram... I'm just saying that DOSF in its current form is utterly pointless and completely contrary to what I think it should be in my heart. There are plenty of places you can go to talk about feet. There is only one DOSF. We could be fantastic. Instead, we're a cesspit of pornography, prostitution, and arguing. My mission it to make that change, and if I can't make it change, be what it should be, be sucessful, I will not hesitate to close it down and move on with my life.

    DOSF's busiest day in the last five years was when a gentleman disagreed with my moderation technique and decided to register that disagreement by spamming us with a thousand threads filled with "NIGGER". That's a wildly depressing statistic that genuinely makes me wonder if there is any genuine need to continue.

    I've already started by doing something I should've done long, long ago... I've deleted that horrific London foot fetish prostitution thread and I will permanently and immediately ban anybody attempting to create a replacement for it. Figuring out which seedy massage parlours have the most desparate, stinky-footed Chinese masseuses is NOT what DOSF is about and I'm not going to have that crap on this board one more second.
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    We can always go out for a beer and a curry again, The last time i went out with you guys I had a good time would liked to have stayed longer (always late).

    So don't beat yourself up about it some people will never change, think we went out 3-5 years ago and I still talk to cheeseman on the phone every now and then for a catchup. So thank you for your input.

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    DOSF's busiest day in the last five years was when a gentleman disagreed with my moderation technique and decided to register that disagreement by spamming us with a thousand threads filled with "NIGGER". That's a wildly depressing statistic that genuinely makes me wonder if there is any genuine need to continue.
    Oh, please. Even if we had ten thousand posts a day, someone could come and leave twenty thousand spam messages. That our busiest day was the result of spamming isn't anything to be ashamed of. It happens.

    I've deleted that horrific London foot fetish prostitution thread and I will permanently and immediately ban anybody attempting to create a replacement for it.
    It's about time. Sheesh, that thread gave me the willies.

    Do what ya gotta do. Nuking sections of the site would be better for it than leaving it so...well, anti-woman, for one.
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    In my opinion, it would be good to close such threads at the onset. This way, they wouldn't develop into the ways of that London thread.

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    Soles2nose, thank you for your comments - and I can tell you that your attitude confirms to me that deleting that thread - without apology - was absolutely the right thing to do. My only shame is that I let it go on as long as I did.

    I will preface the following by saying NOT EVERYBODY who ever posted in that thread - or even participated - is the subject of my dislike. Some of you handle yourself like gentlemen. Sadly, you are in a minority.

    Its pity ergleburgle that you try to hang wrong people.
    I don't think I've tried to hang anybody, though I'd be lying if I said I never wished I could, sometimes.

    These type of forums are good but prone to fake posts.
    If you are talking about foot fetish prostitution threads, I absolutely agree; they're prone to fake posts. That's because, speaking generally, such threads are populated with people discussing a topic that could, ONLY JUST, be justifiable - but alas, due to the atrocious behaviour of those people, degenerated into a sordid brothel filled with objectification and callous insults. That kind of thing does not make DOSF a friendly place for women - or, for that matter, anybody other than men looking for foot fetish prostitutes.

    If you still wonder what I had against that thread, I refer you to the answer I provided you the last time you asked:

    1) Pretty-much constant bickering.

    2) General disrespect for humanity.

    3) A complete lack of common decency shown to the "service providers"...

    4) ...and the aggressive, demeaning attitude both to them, and to fellow thread participants.

    5) Conspiring to bring prices down and "avoid inflation" ends up further demoralising the women who do this. For whatever reason they end up becoming a prostitute, it's probably safe to say it's not their first career choice and they're probably doing it for nothing but absolute desperation. Taking advantage of people in that state for the sake of a quick and dirty foot fix... I find most distasteful. Slapping each other on the back because you managed to manipulate her into a £20 discount - she's a fucking hooker. That £20 might be her son's lunch money for the next week, but all you care about is that you got your rocks off and it cost you a bit less than you'd expected.

    6) Subterfuge; contacting people with fake names to verify their sincerity. If you feel that you might be treated differently if somebody doesn't know your identity than if they did, that strongly suggests that you've done something to put that person off in the first place. Like the idiot a few pages back who tried to suggest that all women are racists because they didn't reply to a sexually demeaning email coming from "big_black_cock@gmail.com" but DID reply to a courteous message from "john.smith@gmail.com". Time and time again, we see women chased away by aggressive, argumentative, disrespectful men and then we see those men pretending to be other people to bait a response.

    7) The objectifying meat market; comments like "kinda plumpy", "really ugly face", "she ain't worth another contact", "not attractive, yellow teeth, overweight", "a massive turn off" - utterly disgusting. Hiding being anonymity and using it as excuse to be an ass. If you wouldn't say it to her face, you shouldn't say it at all. And if you WOULD say it to her face, you're a complete fuckhead.

    There's more, but I think that will be enough for now...
    Now, on with the show:

    Its best to block the spammers rather than deleting the whole London thread as there were genuine good people there.
    Which good people? If those good people aren't contributing elsewhere on the forum - if they're here for that thread and nothing more - I couldn't care less, and if they ARE contributing elsewhere, I'm sure they will continue to do so regardless of the fate of that particular discussion. That wasn't a London thread; it was a prostitution thread. I'm a Londoner and that thread - and the contents, and the participants - made me ashamed of my city and my nation.

    It was the longest most viewed thread
    As you must surely know by now, I don't care what thread was the most viewed. If I was interested in post count, I'd make DOSF into a free-for-all, unmoderated download repository filled with pornography.

    Just because you dont share the same interest, you dont have to ruin it for others.
    Selfish, childish, and hilariously stupid.

    If I have "ruined" the exploits of some obnoxious jackasses who treat women as tradeable commodities and not human beings, I consider that a job well done, and I will sleep that little bit more soundly tonight knowing that.

    It's not a matter of sharing the same interest; I don't have an interest in Breaking Bad but if you want to make a thread about it, fantastic. It's a matter of that thread being extremely distasteful; both through its topic and by the behaviour of its participants - yourself included.

    Anyway it was nice to get together with some real people at least my thread was not about people trying to get off their moms sisters feet.
    There are plenty of real people on DOSF; you never meet them because you don't venture out of the fetid ecosystem of that despicable thread. There are some wonderful people; fascinating human beings with stories to tell, kindness beyond your wildest dreams, talent, and some people who are just really, REALLY NICE PEOPLE. Did you know that a member of DOSF visited me in hospital in May when I had a stroke? That's a real person. Not a stinking little rabble of low-lifes bleating about how fat and ugly their last hooker was.

    And no, I'll grant you that, your thread wasn't about people trying to get off to their "MOM'S" (you're in my damn country, so speak English, please) feet. It was an organisation of misanthropic, chauvinists creating a directory of sex service providers. One of your "conquests" lives in my town. I don't know her, but the prospect of any self-respecting member of society giving anything up - time, conversation, feet, or even a cup of sugar, to the likes of some of the people in that thread who would discuss their encounter in detail, describing the woman as plump, ugly, a massive turn-off, unattractive, etc... frankly, makes my skin crawl - and probably hers, too. The difference between us is that the would probably tolerate such disgustingness to get to the moeny, and cry herself to sleep on her own time, whereas I don't want your money or your custom and will proactively take steps to stop that shameful display of humanity's worst traits from taking place "on my lawn".

    It was genuinely for london network and I remember you were even very interested in Ophalia.
    Yes, I was interested in Ophelia - you respect her so much you don't even spell her name correctly. You are surely aware that I spent my fair share of time defending that thread and you personally; sometimes it wasn't so bad but I'm big enough to admit when I was wrong... and I WAS WRONG. When one is looking at the bigger picture one can readily see that a thread like that is simply untenable in any forum which puports to be civilised. My interest in Ophelia dried up for two reasons; firstly, I found myself in a fulfilling and loving relationship, and secondly I discovered what a piece of work she actually was. Neither of those two reasons have any impact on my support or lack of support for that thread. The thread wasn't a great idea, but the way people behaved inside it turned it into a disaster.

    It also makes me something of a hypocrite to trumpet proudly about how DOSF is woman friendly and people friendly in general, and morally centered when I allow that thread - the creeping, ant-infested pit of squalor that it became - to exist.

    It may not have become an issue if the people in the thread had behaved themselves; but they didn't and as the creator, you didn't either - and by your inaction against them and even active support for the badly behaved, you must take the lion's share of the blame. A discussion of safe and legal places to satisfy your foot fetish in a grown-up and consenting way, that I could've got on board with. What it actually was? No, absolutely not.

    By the way Can anyone tell me what did my thread turn into? You were happily connecting with others?
    That's already been answered a number of times.

    Incidentally, I am now getting PMs from participants in that thread asking for their accounts to be deleted. If, as a member of DOSF, your entire interest centered around that one thread and you want to leave now that thread has been deleted... I repeat, so as to be completely clear: Go away, you're not wanted here. Your account will not be deleted as per forum policy that has been stated a thousand times over. If you don't want to come back, just don't come back. It's very easy.

    NOW... Frankly, there are bigger fish to fry - that thread doesn't matter. This forum was created nearly nineteen years ago by a woman who was sexually assaulted by a member and STILL stood up to fight for her creation. It gave a home to me when I was young and confused. It continues to do so for others. It's a forum that's been in my life since I was thirteen, and that I cared about so much that I sat up in my hospital bed, twenty-four hours after suffering a stroke, and tried to help a member in need. It's a forum that conspired to bring me and the love of my life together against all the odds. It's a forum that has created friendships, nurtured loving relationships, saved lives, and tried to be a small but powerful voice of reason in a chorus of depravity. That's what matters.
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    I would hate to see this forum demolished. Even with its flaws, there's no substitute for it on the web. I don't know what it used to be, but i'd still take it as it is over losing it. That said, I'll try to do my part by more actively promoting the good content and taking these issues into consideration.

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    Wow, Erglr, I wasn't aware that you suffered a stroke. I hope you made a full recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FootTimes View Post
    Wow, Erglr, I wasn't aware that you suffered a stroke. I hope you made a full recovery.
    Ditto. Man, it's like everyone I know is having a tough year.
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    He's still him He has made a miraculous recovery although he would never tell you just how close it was. I was never so thankful as I was when he walked off that plane and hugged me in June!!!

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    Ergle, please take care of yourself and listen to your doctors. Screw everything else and make it your number one priority to stay healthy.

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    I joined this forum mostly for the written fiction, when i was young and learning more about my fetish i came across vampirellas original stories. The day I found out that that woman had a forum it was like a dream came true.

    I think Im a member of the forum since 2007 at least, the first time i contributed with some pics of a girl, i got little response, the most notable response i got was Ergle telling me that my english sucked and i should learn how to write properly before posting. (im from Argentina). Anyway i think that Ergle despite having many flaws its kind in his heart and overall a good person.

    I currently visit the forum mostly for the writen section. Not ROYALS kind of fiction. The good stuff, i remember many stories from the old forum that were really awesome.

    I currently enjoy having a girlfriend that indulges in all my fetishes (as a matter of fact she is currently wearing the same socks for my birthday that is still to come in december)
    , But i just really love the fiction stories where the descriptions are really gross, like the Evil Employment saga.

    I would be sad if the forum close again, its the only true forum devoted to this fetish and it had its up and downs.


    Please Ergle if you do deside to close it for good, please allow for an archive of the stories mostly, and if you have any way of getting the old ones that were removed that would be greatly aprecieted.

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    Okay...

    I've got maybe an idea. Maybe you could use that "5-post-limit" for pm also for these things like posting pics etc. Just saying. And also, it would be a big shame if the DOSF would get deleted, because it's the only site I know where I can talk to other people about our fetish and that's what I hate in this world, the good people suffer from the bad one. But I understand the situation and went away for a while, partly because I'm writing a story, but to be honest, I also started being sick of all the business (money business, like selling socks). I hope one day it will be over.

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    Damn I have so much to say about that and so little time! I'll write a decent response as soon as I find the time to do it right! Agrrrrr!

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    Thank you all, and rest assured, I will - doctor's advice at the moment is basically to not do anything crazy (ie, potentially damaging to arteries) and not eat cranberries because they react badly with my anti-clotting medication.

    The stroke left me with irreversible brain damage - specifically, my cerebellum - it's given me a number of issues (mostly related to balance and fine motor control) which are pretty much resolved now. I have some remaining numbness (which the doctors have said might still disappear, but I'm at peace with it and if it doesn't, well, I can still live my life) and my right hand is dexterous enough now - I'm left-handed so my left hand is dominant regardless, but there's now a more pronounced difference. Mentally, I seem to be competely healed.

    Ophillia's very correct; there's no point beating about the bush. I could have died. I could have lived, but remained paralysed or mentally incompetent. As it turns out, I lived, and nobody really knew what had happened to me until I pushed a point and they ran a CT scan. Shortly after receiving the scan results I was transferred to another hospital (on a stretcher) and that's where everybody really started to understand what I'd experienced.

    I'm very grateful to the doctors and nurses who worked so hard for me, and for my closest loved ones for supporting me through it all. Again, let's not beat about the bush - Ophillia was there for me every step of the way. I must also thank Cheese for travelling down to London to visit me at my bedside.

    All this stuff... makes me believe in DOSF even more, but I think it's time that DOSF stopped spinning its wheels and started to genuinely progress in a good direction. There's a lot of good stuff about DOSF, but there's a lot of shit too - and that's a shame, because the good stuff is so good that it deserves better.

    I'm sure it'll all get figured out in the long run. I don't want anybody to think I have any immediate plans to obliterate DOSF or do anything crazy with the site; not at all. I want to make it BETTER. I do stand by my statement though, that if it cannot become better for whatever reason... I cannot in good conscience keep it going in its current form. DOSF must evolve, or it must die. What used to work, doesn't work any more. We must move forward. I believe we can.
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    From the moment I saw this thread I knew I had to post my opinion, yet only today I found the time to do so. Let me start by saying that I have a huge respect for both Amber (during the early days) and Ergle nowdays for being there and making sure this forum is running. I can only imagine how much time and effort one needs to invest in order to keep this forum open. And I totally understand how hard it is having to deal with difficult and disappointing posts and behaviors. But for me as a long time member and foot/smell fetishist things are more simple and I really wanna highlight the facts:

    The Den is unique. If it's gone there will be no other forum or site to feel like home. There are some decent foot forums out there but it's not the same. DOSF is unique because of it's special orientation on a very special fetish. Your random foot guy loves a nice pedicure while we crave for old sweaty layers of foot gunk on the soles. A foot sniffer is hardcore among the foot fetishists and this forum is a home where he feels welcome and doesn't need to further explain his/her thing among a wider fetish. Just take a min and recall how glad you were that a place like this one is out there, back when you first signed up. And let's not forget the history behind it. It's not like it started a couple of years back and it's not tested in time.

    About morons, people who pm constantly saying bullshit to female members, silly or not appropriate posts and sock sellers/mistresses that are here for quick money and spammers: You cannot stop this, sad but true. This is a forum about a sexual fetish and, sadly, a lot of people are not mature enough to act properly. Some will learn by time and more will not. For some it takes a long way to get to the point of being decent with themselves and within an online fetish community, some never find walk that way and some are hopeless, making DOSF look bad and stupid. That's sad and that makes most decent members here angry or disappoints them, let alone Ergle who has to deal with it. But really, this is something you have to expect in a sexual forum. A company of like minded people would have avoided them better but online they can come back or multiply haha. I really don't think that the Den should close because of those people though. But how about the long time/decent/devoted/loving members or DOSF? Does it worth it keeping it open for those?

    As I said above, DOSF is unique as our fetish is. And to be honest, I am not a very active member mostly because I don't have the time to be. I bet more people are like me. Do I deserve to demand keeping it open? I think I do, everybody should ask themselves this question. I do believe that there were, are and will be periods when the forum is more active and interesting and others that things are quiet or half dead. Itís been there for so long that it makes sense to act like a living creature with its ups and downs. But I think that for the fetishes shake Den should stay alive. Or else it will just close only to open a few months later. Because there is love and devotion in itsí roots. Because it's not about marketing and earning money. Because it's the place where chewing sticky sock lint is considered tasty and people are connected by it and develop love and friendship relationships. Does that sound funny? Give it a second thought.

    I couldn't agree more with your desperation Ergle. And I really respect all your time and effort. And since I am voting for the Den to stay open and you asked for ideas and opinions hereís mine:

    Re-open the chatroom. It is worth it even with big gaps of nothingness. When itís working itís an easier and instant way to communicate with others, and making friends. Every deent member can benefit from that.

    Make the chatroom, the pm option and maybe even the signing up invitational, after an introduction message that the willing member will send. Keep the forum locked for outsiders and create a front page with a FAQ, and the introduction. I guess that way people that are not into it will not spend time doing all this just to spam or talk bullshit. Maybe close the Den as it is and re open it so even the current members have to do it.

    If you see any bad threads or posts that you think they do not belong here for a number of reasons, save yourself the time and delete them right away. That means youíll have to be clear on what someone must not post and maybe re-write the rules depending on what new stuff happened.

    Have you ever considered opening the forum towards the smell fetish in general? Keeping it foot sniff oriented yet expanding to armpits, hairy, sweat and ass/penis/vagina smelling. Over the years, whenever a ďwhat other fetishes are you intoĒ thread was popping up, most of the members were into odors in general. This might bring new members here and keep the atmosphere of the Den fresh (oops I mean stinkier)!

    I wish I could help with any of this but both my knowledge on computers and my free time are limited. How about finding someone to help you with the forum?

    Anyway. I really think that the Den should stay alive.

    PS Sorry for any mistakes I made, I wrote all this under time preassure!

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    The DOSF is definitely unique in that no other message board/forum comes close. The Mousepad is all out of whack and people just come and go. I feel like there is a lot more community here and no one really knows anyone else at the Mousepad. At Wu's foot forum it is a bit better but I still don't feel the camaraderie of this place. I also liked the fact that sweetpetitefeet became a moderator, she's been doing well to make this forum run smoothly as well.
    I hope you fully recover from the stroke Ergleburgle, as health is most important above all.

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    I wish this forum was more active because I really like this place, it's unique. This is also one of the first foot fetish forums I visited. I wish you a quick and full recovery Ergleburgle.
    Check out my website: http://www.karolinkafeet.com :*
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    Well, this will only be my third post on this forum, but believe me when I say I've been here for a while. I believe I had a different account in the past, but forgot both the username and the password, thus I had to create an new one (whoops). But, anyway, I just want to say that I'm very grateful of your efforts to nurture the forum and create a friendly environment for all of it's members. Despite my lack of tangible activity (which generally comes from a lack of content for me to share) I've been extremely satisfied by this place. I have, however, seen topics discussing people cheating on their wives for a quick foot fix and "feeling really bad" about it, and that definitely makes my skin crawl. Though it might not be much, I will happily promote good content in hopes that more of it comes out way (willingly, of course), and I hope that the day doesn't come where this place is burned to the ground permanently.

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    The reason people cheat on their spouses is because they are not fulfilled or satisfied. The key to a successful relationship is communication.
    Some people have an open relationship but technically it isn't cheating if you have proper communication and it is agreed mutually.
    It sucks to cheat and be cheated on but you need to make sure your partner is happy or else they might do stuff behind your back.
    Sad but it happens.

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